Posts by Old Navy

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Help with acceptance for JW family still in

by MaryKN in

well, it's been a long time!

i first lurked here around 20 years ago and read huge amounts of threads which certainly helped when i was making my decision to leave the religion.

i was never baptised (resisted it!

Old Navy

Quote from MaryKN:

So, the point of this message. I'd love to know - has anyone been in my situation and truly successfully accepted this? That things will be always be like this with their family, that they will always be JW, that they will never change, that they will never have doubts or at least doubts that they will act on until the day they die? If so, how? Does it still make you very sad? Do you think you'll always be sad about it? Are you still angry? How do you deal with it? I'd love to know or get any advice from people who believe that they have truly accepted this and made peace with it. I'm not sure I have ever truly accepted it and that's what I really think I need to do.
Any help would be so appreciated.

When things progress to the point where we recognize that, contrary to our hopes, things have gotten out of hand, our only reasonable option is to just let things be.

As troubles within the WTBorg Cult Inc. continue to grow and World conditions develop in ways different than the WT predictions, an awakening will occur. Many more of those solidly "in" The Cult will finally see that "The Truth" just isn't. Pandemonium will result. At that time those you love may be more amenable to seeing that they've been deceived.

In any case, the story of what is to come has a very happy ending. None will be lost.

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Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.

by Still Totally ADD in

jw
friends

first they said 20 dead with 100 injured.

now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.

whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.

Old Navy

The Las Vegas massacre is very suspicious on account of the time; the location and the way the crowd and venue lighting were managed as the event progressed. It bears an eerie similarity to the JFK assassination and the RFK assassination. It was no doubt orchestrated by "those in power" to achieve the long sought for "gun ban" and also to send a very clear message to Pres. Trump.

Japan has had a gun ban for decades yet the Yakuza are able to get as many guns as they want.

The District of Columbia has a gun ban but the criminals are able to obtain guns easily.

When Empires reach a certain level of decline they always manage to disarm the general population and legislate away many former "freedoms" as a desperate act to preserve the status quo.

The People will now clamor for the "changes" the government has until now been unsuccessful in bringing about. For the heartless psychopaths in power a blood sacrifice is a very useful tool to overcome opposition to their agenda.

It has been prophesied that the final days of this age would be chaotic and bloody.

It is beginning to look as if we've arrived.

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Mathew 24 is it a parable and if so what does it mean?

by Crazyguy in

each gospel has a scripture i believe that says that jesus only spoke in parables so this must mean that mathew chapter 24 about the end times is really just a parable.

ok so if that's the case what does it mean??

.

Old Navy

When The Lamb spoke of situations involving people and their actions he did speak in parables. Parables which are difficult to comprehend in a physical or carnal sense but which have profound implications in a spiritual sense. Lessons that we may profit from when we emulate the behaviors of love.

At other times the Son of Man spoke prophetically. I suspect we all have the feeling that the WTBorg Cult Inc. interpretation of Matthew 24 is seriously flawed.

I've posted links to this resource site in other topics because, for me, it offers the soundest explanations I've found on many things Biblical. Here is a link to search results on the site for Matthew 24 should any be interested in looking at what has been written there. It is all freely available:

https://gods-kingdom-ministries.net/index.php/search/?search_paths[]=&query=matthew+24&submit=Search

I believe that we are approaching the End of This Age and that it will have properties quite unlike what The Cult teaches.

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What Could Jehovah’s Special Provision Be to Save His People From the Wicked Watchtower Society?

by MADMARY in

i was baptized as one of jehovah witnesses in 1986. then in 2003, i disassociated myself officially with a letter.

but i did not stop reading the bible or believing in god.

but i have noticed everyone’s reaction here is very different to the great wickedness of the watchtower society.. some of us do not believe in god anymore, and threw their bibles away completely.

Old Navy

Quote from Jw Leaks:

Why do jehovah's people have to be within or under the control of the Watchtower Society to begin with? Why can't they be trapped by Sea Org instead of trapped by JW Org?

Most excellent question.

The Word tells us that All of Creation are in fact Property of The Son, for whom all were created, and The Father who will ultimately be "all in all."

The Word cautions us of the "rules of men" and of "organizations" who compete for followers and believers.

The Word tells us that ALL will be "saved" and rehabilitated, healed and given eternal life. It may be a long process of restitution for the many but it will be done.

The example of Saul (the greatest sinner who ever lived) and how he became Paul illustrates that none are beyond healing. Every living soul who has been created will be saved.

One day in the distant future we will know all about the mysteries which now puzzle and confound us.

The Forces of Good will win Big Time.

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What Could Jehovah’s Special Provision Be to Save His People From the Wicked Watchtower Society?

by MADMARY in

i was baptized as one of jehovah witnesses in 1986. then in 2003, i disassociated myself officially with a letter.

but i did not stop reading the bible or believing in god.

but i have noticed everyone’s reaction here is very different to the great wickedness of the watchtower society.. some of us do not believe in god anymore, and threw their bibles away completely.

Old Navy

Quote from A Watcher:

Check out e-watchman. He has some ideas.

If by e-watchman you mean this site:

Jehovah's Witnesses Watchman - The Watchman's Post

I would agree. With a caveat.

Checking out his site does have educational merit. Robert does a good job of identifying and clarifying the numerous foibles of WTBorg Cult Inc. with some interesting interpretations of his own. And it seems that he does have a dedicated following of both active and inactive/former witnesses.

The commentary which follows each of his articles is especially interesting for any who are wondering how the Cult Indoctrination continues to affect attitudes and behaviors among a following who are at varying stages of active involvement with The Cult or are at some phase of fading/disassociation/exit.

The site is in reality an "echo chamber" of sorts for Cult Dogma. While many who follow Robert claim to have TTATT, fully awakened XJws do not last long as contributing "members." Any who are in disagreement with Robert's unique brand of Watchtower Doctrine and who post views critical of his interpretations are promptly "banned."

Robert himself claims to be "of the anointed" but when his comments, his behaviors and his actions are studied one can easily come to the realization that he is as deluded as the governing body who he loves to criticize.

The site is worth looking at as it does provide ample material for study in the realms of doctrine/dogma/human behavior and the long term effects of Cult Indoctrination.

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Planning Your Exit

by minimus in

jw
friends

did you have a plan to leave the organization?

i did.

it took a couple of years but we did leave and never had a desire to go back!.

Old Navy

Quote from Long Hair Gal:

I believe you can be a spiritual person without belonging to a religion.

That is the Really Good News!!

Membership is not required.

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Planning Your Exit

by minimus in

jw
friends

did you have a plan to leave the organization?

i did.

it took a couple of years but we did leave and never had a desire to go back!.

Old Navy

Quote from Long Hair Gal:

Whether or not you had any mental anguish over this, I'm glad you got away with little or no damage - especially financial/career damage.👍🏻 Lots of older Witnesses are in a bad situation there.

Aye, it is very sad indeed to read the horror stories of those who've been made to suffer first the deeply implanted mind control indoctrination and second the hateful actions of the WTBorg Cult Inc. to punish them for awakening to TTATT. My education into the wickedness of The Cult really began with the bounteous info available on the Web and the several "apostate" sites such as this forum.

All things considered, it really seems that the True Mission of the WTBorg Cult Inc. is to function as an anti-Christ; to destroy believers' faith in the Really Good News by teaching/preaching an exclusive version of Fake Good News with core components of Fear and Hate. Thank God for the World Wide Web and all that it is making available freely to all who seek Truth! I truly appreciate all of the very illuminating You Tube videos that many XJws are creating to spread TTATT.

I have the utmost respect and empathy for those who've suffered horribly in the process of making their exit from The Cult.

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What is the Baptism all about?

by Old Navy in

does the act of baptism make us a "member" of any group or organization?

or, is it something much greater in its purpose?.

when we as former jws came to the truthful conclusion that what the wtborg cult inc. was teaching/preaching was not an accurate representation of the word, many of us decided to look into every nook and cranny to see if we could discover the real truth.

Old Navy

Room 215 and Bobcat:

Thank you for providing those links. Very, very helpful!

Further evidence that the WTBorg Cult Inc. does indeed "channel" The Adversary.

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Planning Your Exit

by minimus in

jw
friends

did you have a plan to leave the organization?

i did.

it took a couple of years but we did leave and never had a desire to go back!.

Old Navy

My association began at age 15, baptized at 16, attended meetings for almost two years. I was in High School at the time and once it became common knowledge that I was a Jw many of my teachers had heart-to-heart talks with me to help me to think about what I was doing. The Pastor of my EUB Church had several discussions with me which were very helpful. My Father's family devoted much effort to dissuade me from remaining a Jw and my Father himself was very strongly opposed. He'd search my room while I was at school and when he found any Watchtower Literature he'd take it and burn it.

I consequently did develop doubts and following graduation from High School rarely attended meetings any longer. That is when I joined the Navy to escape the turmoil and the witnesses. An escape that, compared to the typical experience here, was a cakewalk. It was very easy because I had no other family or close friends involved. The Navy was the best move ever. While I didn't plan on a career in the Navy, it did come to pass. My initial obligation was for two years of active duty as a Reservist. While aboard ship in the San Francisco/Oakland/Alameda area with frequent cruises to the Western Pacific I came to love the life of a sailor.

Once I retired from the Navy and re-entered civilian life, I was approached by the witnesses and I did study with them for a time and did attend meetings for a time but never let on that I had any prior association. It was primarily to satisfy my curiosity; to determine whether the witnesses really had it.

Once I discovered that they really didn't have it, walking away the second time was equally painless.

Since then I have found It.

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Out of the world, into the Truth

by apalro in

for some background - i studied on & off as a child with a jehovah's witness who has been patiently working on lots of our family for more than a decade and never gave up on any of us.

as a middle-schooler and a highschooler, my love for jehovah and any association with my childhoood bible teacher... faded.

disappeared.

Old Navy

As is evident by the emotional range of the responses, many here have suffered hurtfully as a consequence of their association with the WTBorg Cult Inc. Many have had their "Faith" destroyed as a result of the fearful indoctrination and practices of the WTBorg Cult Inc. Many have turned to rejection of The Word and The Almighty One because the emotional pain inflicted by the WTBorg Cult Inc. was too much to bear.

You, Apairo, are not able to recognize any flaws in the "organization" yet, but, it is almost certain that you will in due time. But, as you have discovered, there is indeed a Heavenly Father who hears and who offers help. He is impartial and will hear all who call out to Him no matter their religion or faith or any cult they may be immersed in. But, He does not deprive us of the ability to make choices freely. He does not prevent us from taking any path we may desire.

Early on, the WTBorg Cult Inc. does seem to be precisely what they claim it to be. Only later, as life goes on and other problems are dealt with, does it become apparent that they are not what they claim. Their Fear Based Mind Control Indoctrination will in time destroy Faith in the Almighty One and His Son by requiring unquestioning obedience to The Organization and to the Governing Body. You will be made to become very afraid to think for yourself or to question anything that the Governing Body teach or publicize. You will be transformed into an idolator who worships The Organization while believing that you instead worship the Almighty One.

Many here are still hurting. Many here regret their Baptism into the WTBorg Cult Inc. because they were deceived. If you continue your journey with the Jws the very sad reality is that you will not find true happiness. You will be changed into an "obedient slave" of The Organization, or else.

Any who come to their senses and begin to realize The Truth About The Truth are "destroyed" by the militant policies and procedures of The Organization. That is why so many here seem to be very bitter.